Comments on: Ain’t No Business http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/ i don't have too much to say, here... Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:13:34 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: jon http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-749 jon Thu, 09 Dec 2004 19:30:44 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-749 Hoon Buster---why didn't i ever respond to this earlier. you make some really really good points. I'm digging all your points--particularly the following which is hard to swallow for many who want to "make it": <blockquote>Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career.</blockquote> one of the foundations of Christ's church is relationship, something that, at least here in the USA, is something that is longed for deeply, but not necessarilly pursured wholeheartedly. I want to touch on the other points as well, when i can. Hoon Buster—why didn’t i ever respond to this earlier. you make some really really good points.

I’m digging all your points–particularly the following which is hard to swallow for many who want to “make it”:

Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career.

one of the foundations of Christ’s church is relationship, something that, at least here in the USA, is something that is longed for deeply, but not necessarilly pursured wholeheartedly.

I want to touch on the other points as well, when i can.

]]> By: Hoon Buster http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-341 Hoon Buster Sat, 18 Sep 2004 13:54:47 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-341 Most christians have developed how to think from theology books. Few have actually formed opinions based on personal reflection and study of God's word. So what results is the socialist philosophy that makes so many of them parasites. Hinting around friends about their needs or what they lack until someone feels sorry for them and gives them something for nothing. Then they run around sharing how The lord provides. The bible gives us the basics for healthy captalism. A command not to steal tells us that God recognises an individuals exclusive rights to property. i personaly find that most christians when doing any kind of work actually think they can put in minimum effort and be greatly rewarded. It's a fantasy i tell you. Get off you butt, find out what is needed from a business perspective, then if as long as you don't have to cross any lines you know you shouldn't go hard at it. Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career. Lastly while on the thought of christians living in a fantasy world. Stop trying to market yourself to a small pond hoping that the heavens will open and it will all work out. In this day and age you should be aiming to get noticed in the biggest markets in the world. Oh yeah, not realistic huh? Too hard. If you don't aim to go big perhaps you should just go home. Most christians have developed how to think from theology books. Few have actually formed opinions based on personal reflection and study of God’s word. So what results is the socialist philosophy that makes so many of them parasites. Hinting around friends about their needs or what they lack until someone feels sorry for them and gives them something for nothing. Then they run around sharing how The lord provides.
The bible gives us the basics for healthy captalism. A command not to steal tells us that God recognises an individuals exclusive rights to property. i personaly find that most christians when doing any kind of work actually think they can put in minimum effort and be greatly rewarded. It’s a fantasy i tell you. Get off you butt, find out what is needed from a business perspective, then if as long as you don’t have to cross any lines you know you shouldn’t go hard at it.
Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career.
Lastly while on the thought of christians living in a fantasy world. Stop trying to market yourself to a small pond hoping that the heavens will open and it will all work out. In this day and age you should be aiming to get noticed in the biggest markets in the world. Oh yeah, not realistic huh? Too hard. If you don’t aim to go big perhaps you should just go home.

]]> By: Jae http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Jae Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-9 Jon, Shut your trap. How are we going to make millions with this record label if you start humanizing the artists? And what will rappers do when they have one less thing to complain about; that is, when record labels start to do business like Christ would do business? Anyways... I'm of the hope that this is what illect will be all about. Honest to God, and to the one's He's gifted. Going broke is another post altogether. ;) -j Jon,

Shut your trap.

How are we going to make millions with this record label if you start humanizing the artists?

And what will rappers do when they have one less thing to complain about; that is, when record labels start to do business like Christ would do business?

Anyways… I’m of the hope that this is what illect will be all about. Honest to God, and to the one’s He’s gifted.

Going broke is another post altogether. ;)

-j

]]> By: allstar http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-10 allstar Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-10 thanks for the encouragement ;) that's definitely a goal -- leaving artists with no excuses, so they can get out and hustle to get their stuff heard! j. thanks for the encouragement ;) that’s definitely a goal — leaving artists with no excuses, so they can get out and hustle to get their stuff heard!

j.

]]> By: djp72 http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-11 djp72 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-11 yo yo... there's that "illect" thing again.... what's going on?? yo yo…
there’s that “illect” thing again….

what’s going on??

]]> By: josh http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-12 josh Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-12 word on the millions. Its all about those fat stacks. Yeah, no more complaining... man, itll be quiet out there. word on the millions. Its all about those fat stacks. Yeah, no more complaining… man, itll be quiet out there.

]]> By: jon http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-13 jon Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-13 djp, you will learn, soon :D in the meantime, send us mark 1's CD! j. djp, you will learn, soon :D

in the meantime, send us mark 1’s CD!

j.

]]> By: Joelb http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Joelb Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-14 If you run a business like Christ would - EVERYTHING is given away for free, right? - Even at great personal sacrifice. Gonna be tough man. If you run a business like Christ would – EVERYTHING is given away for free, right? – Even at great personal sacrifice. Gonna be tough man.

]]> By: Joy http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-15 Joy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-15 I'm not sure that running a Christ centered business means giving everything away for free. That's the "christian" way, "yo dude, we're brothers in christ right? Gimmee a hookup" There is a precedent of people working for their "keep," take Paul for example, who made a point to keep a business going to be able to not be a burden to the churches he was ministering at. God asks us to give him 10% of our earnings, meaning we are doing something to "earn" money, good, etc. What do you guys think a christ centered business should entail? I’m not sure that running a Christ centered business means giving everything away for free. That’s the “christian” way, “yo dude, we’re brothers in christ right? Gimmee a hookup” There is a precedent of people working for their “keep,” take Paul for example, who made a point to keep a business going to be able to not be a burden to the churches he was ministering at. God asks us to give him 10% of our earnings, meaning we are doing something to “earn” money, good, etc. What do you guys think a christ centered business should entail?

]]> By: jon http://blog.jonmadison.com/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/comment-page-1/#comment-16 jon Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.smartbrother.org/archives/2003/04/29/aint-no-business/#comment-16 actually yeah, if we ran a *business* (business is the operative term here) like Christ would, i doubt he'd give away everything for free...i think that's where folk get it twisted sometimes, like joy mentions above with the "hookup" thing. He was a carpenter, and i can only speculate, but his services were probably pay-based :). on the real though, we're just trying to live out life christ-centered, our "record label business" should reflect this--so the goal isn't necessarily to run a "christ centered business" -- that should be the case *anyway* -- we just want to live christ-centered lives, and that will effect our business dealings--i.e. they're fair and compassionate. actually yeah, if we ran a *business* (business is the operative term here) like Christ would, i doubt he’d give away everything for free…i think that’s where folk get it twisted sometimes, like joy mentions above with the “hookup” thing.

He was a carpenter, and i can only speculate, but his services were probably pay-based :).

on the real though, we’re just trying to live out life christ-centered, our “record label business” should reflect this–so the goal isn’t necessarily to run a “christ centered business” — that should be the case *anyway* — we just want to live christ-centered lives, and that will effect our business dealings–i.e. they’re fair and compassionate.

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